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Postby Dan » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:42 pm

Fedora are avantajul unui suport puternic pentru rpm-uri. partea de office - o rezolvi cu OpenOffice - e un installer pe care doar trebuie sa-l rulezi, restul kestiilor le cam are KDE/Gnome.
Am auzit lucruri bune de Xandros ( e pe bani din cate stiu) dar n-am pus mana pe el.
Iar legat de filme- Movix( asta e o distributie liveCD) rulez... 8)
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Postby originaltup » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:50 am

Partea cu suportul pt .rpm nu ma incanta pt viitorul apropiat pt ca o sa fiu pe dial-up si nu am chef sa stau prea mult dupa ele, dar cum acum ma intereseaza sa ma obisnuiesc cu un Linux pe care sa-l folosesc pe viitor in loc de win e de luat in considerare.
Stiu ca marea majoritate au OpenOffice (cu care am lucrat si in Windows), au Firefox si niste playere audio/video suficient de bune. Ma intereseaza sa aiba o interfata cat mai intuitiva astfel incat sa ma descurc din interfata grafica si sa nu fie nevoie sa scriu mai nimic. Asta este o chestie esentiala pt ca nu vreau ca timpul castigat cu siguranta si stabilitatea superioara Linux sa-l pierd pe altceva.
Si ar fi bine si daca ar avea ceva suport pt periferice, gen aparat digital, memory stick (pe USB sau firewire) sau PDA.

PS. nu ma intereseaza jocurile
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Postby droopy » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:13 pm

Majoritatea distributiilor care apar acum au suport nativ pentru camere foto, memory stick si PDA. Daca vrei un linux care sa semene cat mai mult cu win-ul si sa fie cat mai intuitiv poti incerca un mandrake pana mai capeti gustul linuxului si o sa vrei sa faci mai mult cu el.

La capitolul aplicatii preinstalate: le poti schimba oricand. Gasesti inclusiv Opera pt linux iar ca suite de office ai alternative (openoffice sau koffice) care sunt foarte asemanatoare cu msoffice asa ca nu vei avea probleme de adaptare.

Sugestia cu mandrake e pentru inceput. Daca ajungi sa vrei sa faci mai multe cu linuxul tau poti trece la un slackware care iti ofera opsibilitati de configurare mai mari si care nu e atat de mult axat pe interfata grafica asa cum e mandrake.

http://www.linuxiso.org - aici gasesti mai multe distributii de linux si link-uri spre pagina producatorului. poti citi pe acolo ce face fiecare si sa decizi ce vrei pentru calculatorul tau. Ca sa iti faci o idee despre cum functioneaza un linux si sa te obisnuiesti cu interfata poti incerca un SuSE liveCD sau un knoppix care ruleaza de pe cd si nu iti modifica hdd-ul.

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Postby originaltup » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:15 pm

multumesc pt sfaturi.
Am avut mandrake 9 instalat cateva zile dar nu reuseam sa-i configurez niste chestii cum vroiam eu asa ca am renuntat la el; la knoppix nu am reusit sa-i fac net-ul.
Am acum si beatrIX care este tot liveCD (dar pe care poti sa-l instalezi si pe hard) si care arata si suna promitator: http://www.watsky.net/
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Postby Enemy » Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:03 pm

salut! cum fac ca opendchub -ul sa ruleze cand dau reboot?
am incercat sa il pun in rc.local (nu merge).
Deci merge perfect cand dau comanda din consola, dar dupa un reboot nu mai porneste, sfaturi plz?

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Postby stego » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:18 pm

Ok, vad ca toata lumea isi da cu pararea despre diverse distributii de linux, s-o fac si eu.

Debian cred ca e cea mai tare distributie la ora actuala. Nu vad nici un punct slab la ea.

Nimeni in 5 pagini nu a mentionat macar Gentoo. Mie imi place desosebit de mult filozofia din spatele Gentoo, si printre altele gasesc ca situl lor e super cool ;)
E usor de instalat si utilizat, are multiple mirror in .ro asa ca orice package e foarte usor de obtinut. Pentru mine e linuxul ideal, inca nu am gasit motiv pentru care sa caut alta distributie.

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Postby costin » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:19 am

stego wrote:Debian cred ca e cea mai tare distributie la ora actuala. Nu vad nici un punct slab la ea.

Dar de faptul ca are soft vechi si foarte vechi ce zici?
stego wrote:Nimeni in 5 pagini nu a mentionat macar Gentoo. (...) Pentru mine e linuxul ideal, inca nu am gasit motiv pentru care sa caut alta distributie.

Iti dau eu unul: totul se compileaza. Ce faci daca nu ai un P4, ci un P1? Sau pleci de la principiul microsoftist: am hardware, hai sa dau in el?

PS. Pentru a evita ca acest thread sa devina un flame, e recomandat sa spuneti si de ce X e mai potrivit ca Y. Nu ajung fraze de genul "X e cea mai tare" pentru ca linuxarii (fata de altii) sunt fiinte rationale si ignora astfel de gogosi.
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Postby originaltup » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:20 pm

pana pun mana pe un Linux mai nou ma joc cu un Mandrake 9.0.
In mare imi place dar am o problema majora (dupa chinuri am reusit sa-l fac sa-mi vada rotita la mouse, sau sa booteze default in Windows):
-nu reusesc sa-mi configurez modemul :cry:
Practic nu mi-l vede (desi daca ii setez placa de retea si ma intreaba daca mai vreau sa setez ceva dintr-o lista, acolo este pus).
Am incercat sa-i dau manual niste chestii dar cum sunt varza la Linux n-am reusit.
Modemul este pe COM3, IRQ16, I/O range DC00-DC07
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Postby costin » Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:47 pm

Tup, daca mai esti pe aproape, iti pot oferi un ubuntu (un cd instalabil si unul live), dar ma tem ca ai nevoie de net pentru el, deoarece nu prea ai unde sa gasesti un mediu cu toate pachele unei distributii. In plus, nici nu prea are sens, pentru ca intr-o saptamana e deja vechi.
Cat espre modem, e ciudat. Nu ai spus ce model e, sau macar daca e un winmodem sau un modem hardware. Si un modem e una dintre componentele cel mai greu de configurat, daca nu e un hardware.
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Postby originaltup » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:20 pm

e un Rockwell (Conexant), si inca nu mi-am dat seama daca e sau nu hardware (eu cred ca ar trebui, dar nu bag mana in foc).
E ciudat ca windows-ul il vede pe COM3, IRQ16, I/O range dc00-dc07 iar in KDE Information, la PCI mi-l arata la PCI 00:08:0, unknown device 1085, IRQ10, I/O ports at dc00.
Oricum am cam renuntat (am inceput cum ziceau ei, cu makedev ttyS2 dar imi zice bad command :cry: ), incerc sa vad ce pot sa fac cu el in afara netului; cand o sa am net mai bun o sa am fie DSL fie modem extern.
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Postby stego » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:07 am

costin wrote:Dar de faptul ca are soft vechi si foarte vechi ce zici?

:?:
Nu inteleg. Despre ce software vorbesti?

costin wrote:Iti dau eu unul: totul se compileaza. Ce faci daca nu ai un P4, ci un P1? Sau pleci de la principiul microsoftist: am hardware, hai sa dau in el?


Faptul ca totul se compileaza mie mi se pare un avantaj. Chiar unul mare de tot. De ce sa am suport bluetooth in kernel daca nu am nevoie de el? Sau daca vreodata o sa ma nevoie, nu-i nimic, il fac modul sau recompilez kernelul (chestia cu compilatul kernelului in timp ce faci orice altceva e absolut fantastica, nu stiu de ce ai adus vorba de hardware, la mine nu se simte deloc cand compilez ceva).

Sa faci un update la orice package e intr-adevar greu daca ai conexiune proasta la internet sau nu ai rabdare :)

Orele consumate in plus la instalare isi fac efectul mai tarziu, run-time.
100 MB de ram cu samba, apache, mysql, ftpd, squid, iptables. Cu X in jur de 150. O retea de 12 de calculatoare routata, dns cache local, iptables configurat cu masquerading si DNAT pentru alte 2 servere locale.
Masina e un pentium 2 la 650 Mhz cu 256 ram.

Am incercat de-a lungul vremii si redhat, atunci cand mai era inca ceva, SuSe, fedora, mandrake si debian.
Din toate astea cel mai mult mi-a placut gentoo. E parerea mea, e subiectiva, asta este. Take it or leave it :)

Oricum cred ca discutia e mai mult asa de dragul de a spune ceva, fiecare gaseste o distributie utila in functie de necesitatile lui personale.
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Postby originaltup » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:55 pm

Am testat o perioada Linux (MDK 9 in principal) din postura de incepator, si pot sa spun acum ca pt un home user normal se poate folosi la fel ca si un Windows. Credeti-ma ca majoritatea celor care folosesc putin un computer sau doar pt cateva chestii, pot folosi un Linux la fel ca si un Windows.
Pornesc cu BeatriX care are instalat aproape totul: internet (browser, client de mail, messenger), office (OOo, compatibil cu MS Office in buna masura), ceva pt grafica. Lipseste partea de multimedia care este insa prezenta multumitor in MDK sau Fedora core de exemplu.
Fedora core 3 nu prea mi-a placut (se foloseste mai greu decat in MDK 9, desi arata mai bine fiind si mult mai noua) iar MDK 9 e cam vechi, asa ca o sa incerc sa fac rost de urmatoarele distributii pt teste:
- Knoppix 3. 7 (am fost incantat de screenshots-urile vazute), Mepis (astea sunt bazate de Debian Sid parca)
- PCLinux OS preview 8 (bazat pe MDK) si poate si MDK 10.1 sau 10.2
(primele 3 sunt livCD care se si pot instala)
Stiti ceva despre acestea, sau aveti si altceva sa-mi recomandati? (nu stiu mai nimic in consola si nici nu tin sa stiu prea multe). Vreau o distributie pe care sa o folosesc ca desktop, poate chiar fara nici un windows prin preajma.

PS. Xandros am inteles ca seamana mult cu XP ca look dar ca este totusi stabil, insa costa (vreo 90$ versiunea care are si Croosover Office)


PPS. un link despre cum stie M$ sa denigreze Linuxul
http://www.eeproductcenter.com/analog/r ... =160400770
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Postby originaltup » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:57 pm

sa nu uit: singura problema reala pt un home user sau un user limitat la cateva chestii este suportul hardware, care insa se pare ca in distributiile mai noi este din ce in ce mai bun.
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Postby originaltup » Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:42 pm

De vreo luna si mai bine tot incerc diverse distributii de Linux, si cum poate sunt si altii doritori sa incerce o sa scriu cateva din concluziile pe care le-am tras pana acum.
Am testat, mai mult sau mai putin, SimplyMepis 3.3, Mandrake 9.0, Mandrake 10.1 PowerPack, Mandriva 2005 (practic Mandrake 10.2), Beatrix 2005.1, Knoppix 3.7, Suse Personal 9.1, Xandros 3 Deluxe, PCLinux 0.81a.
Toate acestea au fost instalate pe hard (chiar si Knoppix, insa intrucat este conceput doar ca LiveCd nu o sa-l comentez).
Mentionez ca am reusit sa blochez, adica restart din buton, toate distributiile (parca Suse a scapat, dar nici nu am stat mult in el). Insa s-a intamplat rar, si fara urmari majore. Chiar daca pare rau, in comparatie cu ce puteam sa fac unui XP cu tot atatea programe instalate, toate stau destul de bine.

Avantaje generale Linux:
timp de instalare mai mic (plus ca daca reinstalezi sau upgradezi, ti se vor lua din Home toate setarile anterioare), nu atat din instalarea propriu zisa, ci mai ales din numarul f mare mare de programe care sunt instalate. In Win sigur ai pierde clar mai mult timp.
Stabilitate superioara, siguranta superioara, clar mai configurabile (numai KDE de exemplu, adica o interfata grafica e de 10 ori mai configurabila de cat look-ul unui WinXp)

Dezavantaje:
suport hardware (drivere adica) slabut comparativ cu XP (desi e in crestere, mai are mult de munca)
unele configurari sau instalari de programe, sunt mult mai greu de facut decat in WinXp (daca ai broadband, majoritatea sunt doar teoretice)
nu toate lucrurile merg cum ar trebui


Distributii Linux:

Xandros 3 Deluxe
pt cineva care nu a mai pus mana pe Linux, si care nici in Windows nu exceleaza, xandros e clar cel mai bun. Arata mult a Windows, si daca ai putin talent poti sa faci marea majoritate a chestiilor ca in Windows.
Stabil, rapid, usor de folosit. Varianta pe bani (Deluxe) are inclus si Crossover Office (un Wine mai smecher) care te lasa sa rulezi destul de multe programe de Windows (eu nu l-am testat, caci nu am avut nevoie)
dezavantaje: trebuie sa te agiti un pic mai mult ca sa faci niste chestii in detaliu, selectia de programe instalate la inceput sau de pe site-ul lor e mai mica (desi e bazat pe debian, adica poti instala mult mai multe)

Suse Personal 9.1
arata f bine, usor de folosit. Unealta lor de configurare si de instalare programe, Yast, arata si misca bine. Mi-a placut, si tare as vrea sa incerc un Suse Professional 9.3, de ex. Este sustinut de o companie, si daca exista drivere pt o chestie, aproape sigur una dintre distributiile suportate este Suse. Are si documentatie f buna.
Dezavantaje: legata de Suse Personal, este pe un singur CD si ca atare are mai putin programe, si nu are surse de kernel, etc (ca sa se instaleze toate programele usor; chestia asta se rezolva f usor daca ai broadband). Daca nu ai rabdare si vrei sa iei ultima varianta, te costa: vreo 90$ (mult mai putin decat la WinXp), dar primesti CD-uri plus niste manual f bune. Vrea hardware mai nou (cel putin monitorul).

Mandrake 10.1 (Mandriva 2005)
arata bine, e usor de folosit si de configurat. Distributie mare, baza mare de programe sau de hardware compatibil. Mandriva 2005 se misca mai bine, si e o varianta buna pt cineva care pune mana pt prima oara pe un Linux
dezavantaje: nu toate lucrurile merg cum ar trebui, unele lucruri sunt stupid de greu de facut (de exemplu mount si unmount de CD, zici ca e cretin; chestia asta este remediata in Mandriva prin KwikDisk pornit la boot). Sta cel mai prost la stabilitate din ce am testat. Ar putea sa fie mai inteligent.

PCLinux OS 0.81a
dragut, e bazat pe Mandrake 10.1 cred, si este mai lucrat. Are pluginuri pt browser deja bagate, este usor de folosit si configurat (datorat originii Mandrake) si lucrurile merg mai bine decat in MDK.
Dez: este pe un singur CD, deci broadband este tare bun, preia unele din dezavantajele MDK (faza cu CD-ul)

SimplyMepis 3.3
in acest moment acesta este castigatorul. Pentru cineva care stia cat de cat cu WinXp este f bune. F configurabil, usor de folosit, si ai acces mult mai usor la niste chestii (de exemplu:click dreapta si optiunea sa fii root sau sa deschizi terminal in acele director) eliminand aproape nevoia de a scrie. Desi cateodata esti mai rapid scriind. Este stabil (desi mi-a inghetat monitorul odata). Poti instala (cu un pic de effort) si .deb si .rpm (la fel si in Xandros)
daca vrei sa faci audioCD ripping in mp3 sau ogg, nu cred ca exista pe undeva o modalitate mai usoara.
Selectie buna de programe (si destul de bogata), usor de facut update-uri (daca ai broadband)
facilitati pt care in windows te-ai chinui sau ai plati: print to pdf, print to fax, editare pdf, etc.
este LiveCD, deci poti sa bootezi de pe el si sa vezi cum e (se va misca mai incet)
Dezavantaje: am avut o problema cu audacity (program de prelucrare si inregistrare sunet) care nu avea slidere la noise removal si la altele (in toate distributiile de Linux merge), asa ca a trebuit sa instalez varianta de windows. E pe un singur CD, deci broadband e un must. Driverele de sunet ar putea fi mai bune.


Dupa aceste cateva vorbe despre distributiile ca atare, si o mica comparatie intre softurile standard din SimplyMepis si cele folosite prin Windows.

Office:
OpenOffice varianta 2.0 beta pe care o folosesc este bestiala, imi place f mult. La formatare simpla sau cu imagini a documentelor da clasa lui MSOffice. Am vrut sa fac niste documente cu poze in ele, am incercat in MSOffice dar nu am putut, asa ca pana la urma am ajuns in OOo unde mi-a iesit. M-am uitat putin si prin Impress (echiv PowerPoint), spreadsheet sau draw si arata f bine. Mai are ceva echivalent Acces cred (dBase), business card builder, etc. Daca nu faceti chestii f savante prin MSOffice, OpenOffice e mai bun decat MSOffice, si costa 0$ fata de vreo 400$. Singurul dezavantaj este ca porneste mai greu, dar o data deschisa o aplicatie (writer, etc), toate celelalte vor porni f usor.
exista si Scribus, program pt documente de publicat prin ziare, reviste, etc
de asemenea are si o agenda personala f buna

Internet:
browsers: are Firefox, Konqueror, eu mi-am instalat si Opera 8 (iar in Linux nu mi s-a busit, spre deosebire de Windows). De vreo luna intru pe net aproape doar din Linux.
Email: Evolution (cica arata asemanator cu outlook), Thunderbird (f laudat, desi nu vad motivul), Kmail
download manager, bittorent client, Skype, remote desktop, Ftp client, instant messenger (Gaim), etc.
firewall integrat (nu m-a deranjat deloc, parca prefer unul cu multe informatii ca Sygate)

Grafica:
vazut poze (desi imi lipseste un pic IrfanViewer), trimis fax, scan&OCR, organizat poze si copiat poze de pe aparatul digital, GIMP (un echivalent de Photoshop)

Multimedia:
CD/DVD burning f bun, CD Player, Real Player, Audio Players (XMMS e aproape identic cu Winamp), videoplayers (Xine, pot fi luat si altele ca Mplayer), TV Capture, Video editor (Kino), sound editor (audacity), CD ripper, iPod manager, etc; la multimedia (video) e loc si de mai bine, acum sunt cam la 90% fata de windows

System, utilities:
- o gramada de tools, care iti fac viata mai usoara si sistemul mult mai configurabil decat ai putea face vreodata WinXP.


In concluzie, daca incercati pt prima oara Linux si aveti un calculator cu Windows preinstalat, faceti-l dual-boot (windows pt compatibilitate si ceva multimedia, video mai ales ca mp3 merg la fel si in Linux, driver bun de sunet sa ai) si Linux pt net, office si altele, iar daca aveti un caluclator fara nici un sistem de operare puteti sa va descurcati si cu un Linux user-friendly (Xandros, Mepis, Mandrake, Suse si altele) mai ales daca va faceti timp sa cititi un pic.
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Postby stego » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:09 pm

Alte cateva comparatii intre aplicatiile de windows si cele de linux (folosesc drept desktop un xp in dual boot cu mandrake 10.1):

Vizualizare imagini si prelucrare grafica - XnView atat sub windows cat si sub linux, varianta de windows are mai putine plugin-uri dar se misca mai repede. Mult mai bun decat Irfan View. Gimp vs. photoshop din cate am vazut amandoua cer cam aceeasi cantitate de resurse (i.e. uriasa) dar in rest n-as putea sa comentez, nu ma pasioneaza editarea grafica.

Editor de text - jEdit sub windows vs. Kate sub Linux - castiga Kate la viteza si usurinta de instalare, jEdit in schimb are o tona de plugin-uri.

Firewall - mandrake vine cu Shorewall care e bunicel ca si firewall personal, foarte user-friendly (reguli predefinite, te scapa de scripturile pt iptables). sub windows nu folosesc firewall asa ca nu am termen de comparatie. din auzite ar fi bunicel zoneAlarm dar n-as baga mana in foc.

Antivirus - am folosit o perioada Antivir sub windows, dupa care m-am decis ca nu mai am nevoie, dar totusi era bunicel. sub mandrake nu am antivirus dar daca as avea nevoie as pune tot antivir.

Browser - Mozilla pe Linux, Firefox pe Windows. amandoua cam la fel de bune (firefox e ceva mai customizabil la aratare :) ).

FTP - Client: FileZilla sub windows, bunisor, fara bug-uri deosebit de enervante, clientul incorporat in mc sub linux. daca mc-ul portat pe windows ar fi la fel de bun ca originalul l-as folosi tot pe el. server ftp sub windows am Cerberus, nu prea il folosesc des dar as zice ca se comporta destul de bine. in linux proftpd-ul care vine default cu mandrake. nu cred ca are rost sa compar usurinta cu care se face configurarea :)

Remote admin, remote desktop si VPN - openSSH atat pe win cat si pe linux. varianta de win e cam ciudata. openVPN pentru amandoua, sub win are si un gui oarecum dar este la fel de usor de configurat. remote desktop sub win este serverul de realvnc iar in linux folosesc clientul care vine cu kde.

VOIp - teamspeak in loc de skype pe amandoua sistemele, consumul de resurse este mult mai mic si nu servesti ca relay pentru alti zeci de useri. dezavantaj: cel care joaca rolul de server trebuie sa aiba o latime destul de mare de banda daca are mai mult de 3-4 utilizatori.

text messenger - gaim sub amandoua, daca cineva stie ceva mai bun sa-mi spuna si mie

In ce priveste look-ul, Mandrake 10.1 este net inferior windowsXP, fiindca vine by default cu kde 3.2 care este urat cu draci si are bug-uri gramada. kde 3.3 parca era inclus pe un cd payware (asta era in iarna, l-or fi dat la liber intre timp). Dintr-un motiv oarecare, kde 3.4 nu vrea sa compileze cu suport de nvidia pe Mandrake.
Insa 3.4 vazut pe un gentoo in toata gloria lui ridiculizeaza grafica invechita windows (sunt constient ca exista custom shell-uri pt windows care arata chiar bine).

re: originaltup blocare linux (hard freeze) banuiesc ca te referi la X11 care o ia pe campii. asta se poate rezolva usor daca poti sa intri cu ssh si omori serverul de X. Nu am avut niciodata atatea hard-freeze pe windows cate am avut pe linux, dezavantajul e ca sub windows inseamna reset de cele mai multe ori.

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Postby originaltup » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:01 am

Intrucat nu mai aveam IrfanViewer in Linux a trebuit sa-mi instalez XnView, dar pt windows prefer Irfan (3.80 sau 3.85, caci doar alea au suport pt .wbz). Cred ca mi se trage de la o experienta nefericita cu XnView care a asociat fisierele (inclusiv doc) asa de bine cu el, incat nu am mai putut sa le deschid cu programul de origine. Irfan e ideal de complex pt un simplu viewer.

Ca browser de Linux, folosesc tot Opera :D Mai ma arunc si cu Firefox, dar in 90% din cazuri sunt cu Opera.

Firewal in SimplyMepis e Guarddog - f usor si elegant de setat, doar ca resimt lipsa unui Sygate care imi cerea permisiunea pt fiecare programel in parte.
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Postby originaltup » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:06 am

Un articol haios:


Humor
Windows rapidly approaching desktop usability
Friday May 27, 2005 (06:01 PM GMT)
By: Robin 'Roblimo' Miller


Every year or so I like to see how Microsoft is doing in its attempt to make a desktop operating system as usable as Linux. Microsoft Windows XP, Home Edition, with Service Pack 2, is a tremendous improvement over previous Windows versions when it comes to stability and appearance, but it still has many glitches that keep it from being competitive with GNU/Linux for everyday users, including a tedious installation procedure, lack of productivity software included with the operating system, hardware compatibility problems, and a price so much higher than any of the Linux distributions I've tested lately that I don't feel this product is a good value for most home or small office users

My test machine was a two-year-old HP Compaq d220 microtower that originally shipped with Mandrake Linux version 9.2. I have tested and used this desktop with at least half a dozen different Linux distributions. All have loaded and run without any problems. In fact, for at least 12 out of the last 24 months, this little black box has been my primary desktop workhorse, and it has always functioned without a hiccup -- until I tried to install the "Windows XP Home Edition" operating system on it.

Since I have heard that discount copies of Windows XP available from online vendors may be "pirated" or tainted in some way, I purchased my copy over the counter from well-known retailer Office Depot to make sure I was getting the genuine article instead of a cheap knock-off. Despite this precaution, no matter how hard I looked in the package I found no manual, just a 14 page "Let's Get Started" guide and a single CD (plus some assorted marketing material) enclosed in a folder with a sticker containing some sort of strange code on it, plus these words:
Don't Lose This Product Key!
You must use it every time you install this software.
So be sure to store this folder in a safe place.
My collection of Mandriva, Debian, SUSE, Knoppix, and MEPIS installation CDs don't require "product keys" I'm not allowed to lose. But this is only a small irritation. On to the installation itself.

Video blanking hassles

My primary desktop monitor is a 15" LiquidVideo LCD monitor purchased from mainstream electronics retailer Circuit City. It has always had the slightly annoying habit of going through a short "AutoAdjust" routine on every startup, but it happily accepted the generic framebuffer video input used by most versions of GNU/Linux during their bootup and installation processes. During my attempts at Windows XP installation, the combination of the LiquidVideo monitor and the HP Compaq d220 microtower's onboard video produced constant, totally annoying screen blinking that made it almost impossible to do things like type in the long, so-precious "Product Key." Note that this "Key" is not a simple, English-language password, but a 20-character string of apparently random letters and numbers. It took me several tries to type the "Product Key" correctly without being able to see it on screen because of the constant blinking. I doubt that most users would put up with this problem. I suspect that most would simply return their copy of Windows XP to the store where they bought it and go back to familiar, user-friendly Linux.

The video blanking problem also made it nearly impossible to read the screen where you're supposed to create an "Admin" password ("Admin" is Windows-ese for "root"), then create regular users.

In the end, I had so much trouble with the Windows XP installation and setup with this common discount monitor that I used an old 17" CRT monitor I had in my garage for the installation and setup, then plugged in the LCD monitor for everyday use.

Windows XP can't be considered consumer-ready until it has driver support for common LCD monitors during its installation and bootup procedure, especially if those monitors are easily and routinely recognized by popular Linux distributions. It's possible that the monitor manufacturers aren't willing to give Microsoft and other proprietary operating system companies the information they need to create appropriate drivers and that the manufacturers, not Microsoft, deserve the blame for this problem. But from a user's standpoint it doesn't matter who is at fault in this game. It simply means that hardware must be carefully chosen when contemplating a switch from Linux to Windows XP -- and that you can't expect "it just works" hardware compatibility from this operating system.

Windows XP networking: Not for amateurs

I could not get Windows XP to detect the HP Compaq d220 microtower's onboard Broadcom NIC. I used another computer to download XP drivers from HP's site, and burned them to CD for installation on the d220, but still no luck.

This same NIC was detected and automatically set up by MEPIS, Knoppix, and Mandriva Linux during their installations. I was surprised that Windows XP was not able to do the same.

In the end, I bought a $15 "generic" PCI NIC from a local retailer and installed it. This solved the Windows XP network interface problem. But I doubt that most home or small business users would want to add hardware to a working computer just to convert from Linux to Windows, especially after paying $199 for their new operating system.

Shocked by additional software costs

The SimplyMEPIS version of GNU/Linux I run on my "workhorse" laptop computer includes a full-featured office suite, ftp, chat, and graphics software, and dozens of other useful programs on its installation CD. Windows XP included none of these, and most of the equivalent packages available for Windows are costly. Some, like Microsoft's Office software (which is similar to OpenOffice.org but doesn't read as many file formats and won't directly save your work as PDFs), cost more than the operating system itself.

I found that the tools needed to give the Microsoft Explorer Web browser included with Windows XP some of the same modern features that are standard in the Firefox Web browser that comes with SimplyMEPIS are pay-for add-ons, which seemed somewhat silly. Even the "better" version -- Outlook -- of Microsoft's email software costs extra, as do most of the ftp clients available for Windows XP.

Yes, Firefox, the Thunderbird email suite, GAIM, GIMP, and many other well-regarded open source programs are now available for Windows XP, but each must be downloaded and installed individually. They are not included in the base Windows XP install. This makes no sense. If you pay more for Windows XP than for a typical Linux distribution, shouldn't it come with the same -- or better -- software on its installation CD?

Where Windows XP shines

There are thousands of third-party applications available for Windows XP that have no direct Linux equivalents. For people with specialized software needs -- and deep pockets -- this wealth of Windows third-party software makes it an excellent operating system choice.

For those with simpler software needs, the problems and costs associated with Windows XP argue against a switch from GNU/Linux unless Microsoft radically changes its pricing and licensing structure, and manages to make its premier operating system install easily on common, everyday hardware.

Hope for the future

The improvement in Windows XP Home Edition over previous "ordinary user" versions of Windows -- notably Windows ME and Windows 98 SE -- is nothing short of magnificent. Once you get past the installation problems, you see a desktop that's close enough to KDE (or Gnome) in general appearance and functionality that an experienced GNU/Linux user should only need a few hours worth of practice to make the switch.

I have not yet gotten any viruses or worms on my Windows XP computer, nor have I experienced nearly as many system crashes as I did with pre-XP Windows versions.

Given Microsoft's current development rate, it's entirely possible that within a few years Windows may be almost as good a choice for most users as Linux, although it's likely that during these same few years Linux will also advance rapidly, and that a growing number of third-party developers will write software for it to replace the programs that now "lock in" many Windows users.

For the moment, though, I advise sticking with Linux unless you have software requirements that can only be met by using the Windows XP operating system, and if you must use Windows XP you should try to get a computer that has it preinstalled rather installing it yourself -- unless you are a hard-core techie/nerd instead of an ordinary user.

But all this could change when the "Longhorn" version of Windows is released in 2006 (or possibly 2007, 2008 or 2009). At that point, I'll re-evaluate the Windows operating system and see if it's finally ready for the mass market instead of requiring specialized skills -- and carefully-selected hardware -- to install and set up on the average home or small business desktop.

<<OSTG Editor-in-chief Robin 'Roblimo' Miller is the author of Point & Click Linux! and loves to read analysts' and Windows users' reasons Linux isn't ready for the desktop so much that once in a while he likes to turn the tables and write about Windows from a Linux user's perspective.>>


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Postby stego » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:14 am

Vreau doar sa spun ca am facut upgrade la debian sarge si e o minunatie so far, nu stiu cum am avut rabdare sa stau 2 saptamani fara sa-l pun, dar am incercat sa-l busesc in toate felurile, inclusiv configurand absolut aiurea pam si alte alea si tot degeaba :). Toti userii de debian sa ne unim sub steagul sarge! :lol:
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Postby enchanter » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:52 pm

Lycoris se pare ca a cumparat niste licente pt Linspire..In fine,povestea e mai lunga si are o oarecare tenta de warez atat timp cat nu gasesc linkul unde am citit asta.Oricum Linspire nu e foarte apreciat pt ca booteaza de ti se lungesc urechile si nu e moka ca alte distributii.Ca sa scurtez povestea : se poate dlda Linspire-five cu 'LycorisWelcome' moka..Intrebarea e daca se merita.. :twisted:
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Postby KeinEngel » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:56 pm

Hmmmm... Am probat linspire si mi-a luat mai mult sa il instalez decat sa il dezinstalez... My 2 cents ;) Pana acum am fost multumit de fedora si debian (chiar daca e al naibii de greu pana ti'l faci utilizabil... cel mai bine e sa iei un knoppix 4.0 dvd si sa il instalezi), dar recomandarea mea, daca te tine calculatorul, ar fi sa iti instalezi un qemu si sa probezi mai multe. Cea mai buna combinatie ar fi cu gazda linux (ce ai tu la-ndemana) si qemu/qemu-accelerator.

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Postby LAN » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:13 am

merge counter strike pe linux ? :?:

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Postby KeinEngel » Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:47 pm

Vreo alternativa la valknut? Imi face prb destul de nasoale (upload merge fara prb, dar nu pot sa downloadez nimic, fiind activ, pe RSM).

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